Today we are turning things around!  I am usually the one in the driver’s seat, but on today’s episode my own mentor and coach, Rick Mulready, will be interviewing ME! 


We are diving into my backstory, what my family life looks like now that I retired my husband, and what my plans are for the future of my business– they are BIG! 


The past two years of my life have been spent shifting my mindset, creating a healthy work-life balance,  and dealing with the frustrations and disappointments that can sometimes come with growing a business. It’s not always easy, but it’s my passion and I can’t imagine doing anything else! 


A Little About Rick 


Rick Mulready is the host of The Art of Online Business podcast and an industry leading expert in teaching online experts how to take their online  business to the next level.

He has a not-so-secret superpower of simplifying Facebook and Instagram ads, teaching thousands of online entrepreneurs all over the world how to create consistent leads and sales with ads.

He’s built a 7-figure business as an online expert and course creator from the ground up using Facebook and Instagram ads and shows other online experts how to do the same without getting sucked into endless guessing games or unnecessary overwhelm.

Before starting his business, he spent 12 years in corporate Internet advertising, working with the likes of AOL, Yahoo!, Funny or Die and Vibrant Media where he sold and managed online ad campaigns for some of the largest brands in the world.

Value Bombs:


  • Why it’s important to get on the radar of people that you want to connect with
  • How to strike a balance between family life and work
  • Establishing a healthy mindset and incorporating self-care into your daily life
  • The reality of setting big business goals
  • Why you must create white space in your life
  • The importance of taking the time to set up your systems before hiring
  • The value of thanking people who have helped you
  • Figuring out your ripple effect


Growing and running a business isn’t easy.  You must learn how to create white space for yourself and make a conscious effort to practice self-care regularly. 

This past year my family moved to Florida and I retired my husband, Austin.  This was a huge adjustment period for our family and with the added free time, I found myself saying yes to lots of things at once.  I quickly learned that I can’t do everything AND be present for my family. I had to learn to set boundaries– and stick to them! 

Today’s interview was very different from other ones we have done in the past.  It wasn’t easy being in the hot seat, but doing uncomfortable things are what help to push you outside of your comfort zone and so you can reach new levels in your business. 

Running your own business may not be easy, but it is totally worth it and can change your life in so many amazing ways. 

Make sure you tune in to the very end for a fun giveaway! Reach out to Rick and I on Instagram @rickmulready and @brandiandcompany and let us know what you loved about this episode. 

Remember to go out this week and serve your clients, scale your business and soar into the six-figure year you deserve!






Resources Mentioned:


Atomic Habits

The Power of Habit

Episode 2: 4 Things Service Providers Should Track

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Today's episode is going to be pretty different than any episode I've ever done because my coach, Rick Mulready, the host of The Art of Online Business, and my mentor, the person who taught me everything I know about ads and just an awesome, amazing dude is going to be on the podcast. And I'm not interviewing him. He's interviewing me. And I had no idea of the questions that he was going to ask. And we got pretty personal. So you're going to hear a lot of behind the scenes of my business, what I go through as a mom, as a business owner, and all the troubles I have and the motions I have around business and a lot about my background. And so I hope you love this episode and stay tune until the end, because we're doing a giveaway for you to win some pretty freaking cool prizes.

Welcome to the Serve Scale Soar podcast. The podcast dedicated to helping service-based entreprenuers scale their online business to 5-figure months so they can soar into six figure years. Your host Brandy is a wife mom. And in less than one year created a six figure business. And now she is spilling all her secrets so you can too .

Welcome, Serve Scale Soar family. I am so excited to have my coach, Rick Mulready and the host of The Art of Online Business today joining us. And we're actually flipping the script. He's actually going to be interviewing me, which I'm a little nervous about. But before we flip that, Rick. How about each of my listeners just about who you are as a person and your business?

Who I am as a person?

We want to know life, not just business.

Life? As you're doing the intro and I'm rubbing my hands together ready to dive in this interview here.

I'm a little nervous.

As you roll your eyes, everybody listening. What's up my friends? First of all. We're on Zoom right now so I can see Brandi's facial expressions. She cannot hide. She cannot hide during this interview. But me as a person, I am an entrepreneur. I'm a dad. I'm a dad first. I'm a husband, dad to a 14-month old light of my life, Maya. And it's just amazing. We just recently moved here, we just bought a new house in. We've been living in San Diego for I've been here five years now. And we just bought our first house. We moved to the suburbs, something that my wife I thought we would never do. But as you know, Brandi, having a small child changes everything. So we moved to suburbia. It's like dead silent outside. But we live in an amazing neighborhood with kids all around and great schools and really loving it. And I've been doing this entrepreneurship thing now for... geez, I've had my business up for six years officially. But I've been looking at trying to start a business since 2010. That's why I decided that I wanted to start my own thing. And then in the fall of 2012, I left the corporate world to start my own thing. But things didn't really get go until 2014.

Very cool. And for our listeners. Rick is actually how I got started with Facebook and Instagram ads. I took his FB ad manager course. And I originally found him on his very first podcast, which was like something about social media.

Inside Social Media.

Because I was doing organic and searched and found you and thenn the art of paid traffic and listened. And then I was that annoying person who was begging to get in your course when it was closed. And now you are my coach.

But I want to clarify that, though, because you say begging to get in my course, but, and you weren't annoying in any way. You got on my radar, though, by doing that. And I think that's a great lesson for everyone listening is, one of the things that we're going to talk about today that you brought up at a recent retreat was, you can be frustrated sometimes because you want to grow your network and you are a very driven person. And that's a good thing. But you can also be impatient like so many of us can. Right? And so one of the things that you were talking about that we're gonna dive into today was like, how do you grow your network? Well, one of the ways to do that is to get on the radar of people that you want to connect with. And "bugging somebody" about their course being like 'hey, when is it open? I want to give you my money.' That's a great way to do it. And then once you were in the course, you were sharing the results that you got. You were really active in the Facebook group and all that stuff. That's really good lesson for people out there who are looking to "get on the radar" of people.

And everyone has heard about you a lot on this podcast, especially about conferences and how impactful that they can be. They're not only getting on people's radar by being a student in their courses, but also showing up at live events. And that's when we really connected was when it was that the Convert Kit conference. And so having that coffee and joining the mastermind and also rerecording the podcast.

And that was not long ago. And we're recording this right now in February of 2020. And that was May of last year?


I mean less than a year ago. And you've been in the mastermind. You've been on my podcast a couple of times and you've really put yourself out there from a 'hey, I'm here to play guys' basically, which I love and I think is so important. And so I want to dive right into the meaty stuff.


Something that you have struggled with is balancing your work and your personal life. This is something that we all go through. Tell us more about that. Tell us the kind of the struggles that you have there. And guys, she just crossed her arms, as I'm asking you this question which I love that means we're getting into something good here. Now, I think this is something that so many of us can relate to, that you've been pretty open about chatting about. And so what's that been for you? What's that boundary that you have a hard time creating for yourself between your business and your and your personal/family life?

I think it was much easier to a certain extent when I was only offering services and Riley was also at a point where she was a baby and I had to take care of her. She cannot fend for herself. So at that point it was like naptime hustle, late night. That type of thing. And so it was easier to have the family-work balance because she was at the age. Well, then I think it really happened. Where I started struggling is when Austin came home, like he wasn't working anymore. And then she got to a point where she was older and Austin turned into her pretty much main provider during the day instead of me. And we flip the roll. And then it got to a point where I am very driven and I like to win. And so what? It came to a point where it was like it was hard to turn off because it was like 'oh, I can do this and this and this and this and we can have this.' And I like to be active in terms of good business. And so that's easy where sometimes when it comes to like emotion and things like that, that doesn't come easy for me. So it's easier to pour myself into my work instead of focusing on the things that I'm not good at.

Not good at, meaning? Give us an example.

So like, if not necessarily like with Riley, but let's say like we're trying to decide how to discipline Riley. And my husband has one view and I have one view. It's just easier for me just not to talk about it or get into the fight. But just be like 'you deal with it, I'll work.' Because I want to be the fun parent because I work all day. And so instead of actually addressing it or saying 'oh, I'm just going to go work' so then I don't have to deal with this type of thing. And then also, life isn't just always going the way you want it. And so it's easier to throw yourself into work because it's something I'm good at instead of necessarily focusing on what's not working.

So how is that been with Austin? Where, if you tend to use the business as a crutch, if you will, because I think you said something really key there, like you're good at your business and we're going to talk more about that, but you're good at your business. You know, it's it's almost like something that you feel you can control. Like 'I have this thing over here I can control. I can't control this over here or I feel like I can't control it. So I'm going to put the wall up against that thing I can't control and come over here to the area that I can control.' And this is not uncommon, by the way. I've done this myself in the past as well. And I know other people who do this as well. But how has this affected you and Austin as far as the dynamic of your family and you being the entrepreneur and bringing the income and the dynamic, everything?

Yeah, I feel like we're just getting out of it like the transition, because that was in August. Now it's February. And I feel like December's when we really hit our stride, like knowing why it can't all be on him when it comes to Riley's care, not in the sense like I still take care of my daughter. But I want to be the fun parent. Because, of course, there's this little bit of mom guilt that's like 'hey, you work during the day in your office.' And so there's been conversations that have had to have and we make sure that I take a break during her nap time. So it's just Austin and I and we get that time. And then we've been incorporating like every Saturday and Sundays now. I'm not working. That was a big thing, is taking off the weekends and like really taking it off. And some of the clients that I had, I had to let go because they weren't on board with those same boundaries. And that was my fault because I was allowing them to communicate with me on the weekends. And so just setting like Saturday and Sunday for us and our family, I take a two hour break when she naps to spend with him. Now we go outside and light tan and stuff now that we're at the house, just making sure that I'm not taking my laptop to bed. That's been a big thing. Now I'm taking my iPad, but I'm not doing work on an iPad. It's like I don't work on my iPad. The iPad's like YouTube videos and stuff like that. It's very different than up all night working just to be working when I don't necessarily need to. So I think it's just been finding light. Like I don't have to be on all the time.

Do you feel like when you are not "on" from a business perspective, do you feel like you're missing out? Do you feel like something 'Oh, this might happen if I'm not "on" on the business perspective?

No. And I think that's the hardest part is because I don't feel like I'm missing anything. It's like I love it so much. So it's not necessarily I'm missing because I can come out to the mastermind and like turn off and everything's like, fine. And I don't feel like I'm missing anything. But then I'm still working. But it's like I just love it so much.

One of the things that we talked about that aligns with this topic here is self-care. And this is something that, frankly, I have struggled with, especially over the past fifteen months, because since becoming a dad is like having a newborn baby and now an infant like it throws everything. Your schedule is all crazy and you're trying to run a business and all that stuff. So this is something that you and I talked about several months ago in 2019, how is that gone for you? And this is more like taking a break to whatever, go for a walk, get a massage, go do something fun whether it's for yourself or with Austin, whatever that might be. I know you just talked about you have a break now. You take a break during nap time. What's been the self-care portion of that for you?

Great. So when we talked about this in 2019 and I did it for a week, that was it. But coming into 2020, it's like a fresh start type deal. But for us it really was the big thing for me is we have the Peloton, but I was like avoiding the Peloton because once again it was something I wasn't good at anymore like per se, because I wasn't on the leader board and it was very much that. So now I've been getting on the Peloton. We've got this other butt machine that the Kardashian's recommend, a workout thing.


And yeah, it's amazing. It's the DV method, but it's just like an exercise thing and it takes 10 minutes. So I get on that. I've been doing the Peloton. We got Apple watches, so it's feeding my competitive, like we're making it very gamifying self-care. So my husband and I do the seven-day fitness thing together, where we're competing. You better believe I'm standing out when my watch tells me to stand up, I'm doing laps in my office. And I also did that at noon and I'm loving it. It's very gamify. It's called Noom. They have commercials.

I've heard about that.

They take you through the psychology of changing your behaviors and eating healthy and all this. And that's been really helpful because once again, every morning I wake up and it's like an online course, there's quizzes. So just incorporating like finding out that just saying self-care for me doesn't work. Like thinking about taking a bath or relaxing sounds awful to me. But when I can turn it into a game, then it's been like I think that was the big thing for me is just finding something that made it not so much feel like self-care is like a game.

Well, I mean, whatever you call it, what you're describing as self-care.

Right. Absolutely.

Umpteen million definitions, right. Like I could do Reiki on Monday night for the first time. I've never had Reiki before. I really don't know what to expect. But that's a form of self-care.

I have an appointment for that.

You do?

I'm getting it done when we get back from Virginia. So, yes.

All right. It's an a 90-minute thing. It's like an intake and then a Reiki session and crystals. And I'm so excited about it. But anyway, that's a form of self-care. Right? I love like you've got to tell the story real quick about your so competitve. Is Austin as competitive as you?

So we say he's like stealth mode competitive because if you met him, you would be like, 'oh, you're not competitive.' But then he's the person that wins Putt-Putt is like, I crushed you. And you're like, where did this come from?

So we talk smack.

Not till the end. He's like dead silent and then we get to the end. And so, yes, he is competitive, but very stealth mode. And I wonder if that's because I grew up very competitive. He played lacrosse, but his family's not competitive. So I wonder how much of it is actually me that's rubbed off on him the last 12 years.

Well, yes. Of course.

We are a very competitive family. Like going from the store to who can get to the car that fastest competitive.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, it's pretty intense. Yeah. Like we played Jeopardy every night. Like it's a very competitive household.

Imagine how your daughter's going to be.

Oh, yeah, it's going to be ridiculous.

So recently you were a little bit behind in your Peloton contest, daily contest. And what was it like 11:30 at night, something like that?


And you're like 'uhoh, I have 30 minutes to win, basically.' So what did you do?

Yeah. So I got on the Peloton on and closed my reins. These apple watches are intense. Like they're intense because they track mine. I can see my results and Austin's results. And he can see mine. So there's no cheating. It's legit.

So you get on there at 11:30 at night and you're like'I got to win.'.


I have to win today.

Yeah. I mean, it's not so much winning today. He goes and runs and then also gets on the Peloton. So then that's been another challenge is like, OK, so you have time to run Peloton. And then for a long time, I was just blaming that I don't have that time. And it came where I was, and this is when we were figuring out where he wasn't working anymore so we had time to run and get on. And I felt like I might gaining weight instead of like losing it. And you're losing weight and being angry towards that. And then that was just a mindset shift that had to happen, that like, actually, I do have time to do this stuff. And then also being happy for him that he now has the freedom to do these things.

Yeah. Were you resentful of that because you were working and he was, in your mind, he's not working, but yet he's watching your daughter all day?

No, it wasn't that. It came all down to the fitness aspect of it, like, oh, you're going out and running. It wasn't like you're not doing anything because I know how hard it is to take care of a child. So I totally 100% appreciate him because I would not be able to do what I do without him. But it was like for some reason it was all about the workout stuff. And that's when we got the watches is when that communication happen. And I was like, I mean, just stop working out or I need to start workout. So that's the options here.

Do you think that the whole competitive nature that you have played into that?

Oh, 100%.


And it was really reading the book, Atomic Habits. When I came home. I was reading it on a flight and I was like, you know, here's what how I feel and I'm going to make some habits, but I need you to help me with these habits. And so that's when, like the Apple watch came in and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, there's progress there on communication with Austin. As soon as you came home from your trip and you read this book and you're like, 'hey, you're going to do this. I need your support. Will you support me in this?' That's awesome. I want to go back to something that you said about not working on the weekends and basically letting clients go that didn't align with that. That can be a really hard thing as a service provider because your mind kind of does tricks on you. Especially now you're not really in the game. But if you're early in the game and you're coming to that point where you're like, you know what, I need to let clients go because X, Y, Z reason. That can be a really scary thing because a lot of people are in the mindset of I need to generate this revenue. How was that for you in letting them go? Did you have kind of fears like, oh, am I going to build to make that up? Am I gonna be able to bring more clients in that align with my values and what I'm trying to do? Or was it like sayonara? I don't mean sayonara like that. No. Like, I gotta clear this space. This is the right thing to do, and I feel good about it?

Well, first off, this was on me. Because I allowed this to happen, because in my contract and everything, it has that office hours. Like when I'm available, when I'm not available and I let them Vox me on the weekends and make that I responded, which showed them that it was OK. And so the first part was telling them like, hey, I'm not going to be around on the weekends anymore. And they didn't it like that or respect that because our relationship had always been where they could communicate with me on the weekend. And so at that point, it just made sense. And I handed them off to other people that aligned with their business model. And also, at this point, I think I was at a different place in my business where I didn't necessarily need that revenue. So it did make it easier. But if I didn't need the revenue, I probably wouldn't have released them so quick. I would've replace them before I released them. But also knowing that you set the boundaries with your clients and I let the boundaries slide and that gave them the OK.

What would you say to that person, that service provider who's listening right now, who is at a point where they have a client just completely draining them or or multiple clients? They're just draining their energy. They know deep down they like, I need to get rid this client. But there's the fear there of what we're just talking about of like, I don't want to get rid of them because I need that revenue. What would you say to that to that person?

Before you just drop them? I would really take an evaluation of what is your marketing minutes look like. And we've talked about the marketing minutes on the episode and we'll link up to that. But first off, you have to make sure that you are actually doing the amount of marketing for your services to support if you let them go before you replace them, that you can get them back. Also, is it going to be a financial burden where you're so stressed that you can't find another client because you're just so stressed and it's so time consuming? But then the other side of that, if they're so draining, what would happen if you let them go? So one of our Serve Scale Soar members said she was spending 30 hours a month with a client that was just like draining and like taking so much of her energy and time. And she was not getting paid very much at all. And I was like, what could you do with 30 minutes of marketing minutes? Like, holy cow, you could probably add five new clients at your new prices. So it also comes to that like look at how much time they're taking, how much you're getting paid. And if you let them go and replace that with marketing minutes and new clients, you can probably replace them with more clients and more revenue than you were working with them.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, what's your goal? What's your goal with your business?

So my immediate goal for 2020 is a million. And then. But I think the big thing is like for me, it's just creating a really fun experience-filled life for my family. So when I started, it was about putting food on the table. And now it's really about us traveling and creating experiences and just being in our like happiness zone, experiencing life together and having choices. So like, if we want to home school, we have that choice or if we want to like go to Italy for 10 days, we have that choice. And so just creating a life of choices. But then also, of course, the revenue as a million for this year. And then my big thing is just helping service providers because there's no one in this space that's really there to help them grow. It's all about creating a course or running ads or like you have to have a membership, but no one's there just helping people that want to just like provide one-on-one services.

So I want to break that down and I want to start with the easier one first for you. You're welcome. Why is that important to you? Why is it important to help service providers create a business?

I came in with someone. They got you started, but I felt like there was a lot of stuff, too, like we don't need to focus on like brand boards and all this stuff. And then taking the Facebook ad manager helped me up uplevel my skill. But there was no one that said like, "Hey, you can scale this business and you don't have to like do all these launches and all this." And I had a really hard time just figuring out like systems and proposals and all of that. And at that point. I didn't want to create a course or anything, I just wanted to grow a business without having a team. And there was no one to help me. And now the bigger one is bringing Austin home was never part of the plan, but it ended up. And now we have other members that are bringing their spouses home, are coming home themselves. And that's like, holy cow. Now we're creating this whole generation that's gonna have two parents at home where like when I was growing up, both parents worked outside of the home and that was the norm. So I think it's really interesting that now in my generation that both parents can be at home with their kids.

Do you communicate that in your messaging?

I don't.

Because that's key. Like that is huge. That should be part of your vision, your values, your 'why' for doing what you're doing in serving service providers. One reason. Because that's that's awesome. Because you and I talked about this a lot and I talk about it on through everything I do. But the ripple effect. So your ripple effect, in essence, is helping all these kids grow up with the ability to have their parents around because you are teaching the parents or one one of them, or you just give them the opportunity to have a business at home, have the business with flexibility to bring in great revenue, to your point, give them choices and so forth. Like, that's awesome. And so Coach Rick hat for a second. If you're not if you're not using that in your messaging, you absolutely should be, because so many people can relate to that and be like, oh, my. Yes, I want that. And I think that's so, so important. Now, let's go to the the more, in my mind, the more difficult question for you as I shake my hands together. Why a million dollars? In full disclosure, everybody listening at a recent retreat for my mastermind, I put Brandi on the spot for this exact question. So we're going to dive into this a little bit. Why is a million dollars so important to you?

I've just come to terms that I'm not going to feel bad about this anymore. It is because I want to be a 7-figure business owner, like I just want that title. And I know with that title we'll come more choices for my family, impacting more lives. But like I'm doing that now, like you said, like I don't have to have a million to have a backyard for Riley, but like, I want the 7-figure title.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I think that where it gets like a little bit slippery slope for people, that slippery slope. But like, you know, people say like, I want a 7-figure business, I want a million our business. And it's like, well, why? And they're like, well, because that's what they hear. That's what they hear that people that's like what the goal was. And I was that person, too. And look, I'm not like discounting it, but I hit it in four years and it was amazing. But then for me, it was it's like, OK, what's like what's next? You know, and it brings up a whole new host of things in the business in your life and stuff like that. And so I just want to make sure that you have a good reason for it. And there's nothing wrong with that. As long as you own the reason, cool. I want to be a 7-figure business owner because of the opportunities that it brings and all this other stuff. Do you enjoy the process?

Oh, I love it.

Along the way?

Well, we're only a month to as per recording this. So I may change my mind. So I did an income report. My first one. I was terrified. And well, it's going to be on the podcast. And I did it live because everyone was asking for it. And that was terrifying. But that was a really good month. This month is probably going to be a little bit lower than I anticipated. And so I went back and forth on "Do I do another one?" And it's coming to "Yes." If I'm going to be transparent, I just can't be transparent when we're doing one hundred thousand dollars a month. I need to be transparent. And I think it's really good because it shows the service part of my business stay steady. But the court side is not always a steady road. And so I'm excited now for this journey just to document it and ask me in six months if I'm still enjoying the process and hopefully I still will be but I'm excited now that I'm going to be documenting it as I go.

Now, when do you say 'documenting it' documenting it from the perspective of what? Aside from revenue and all that stuff.

In the income reports I talked about what worked, what didn't work, what was going on in my mind and now I know this month I've been journaling through this launch that's not going well. I don't only talk about the numbers, but I talk about the behind-the-scenes stuff, all the lessons we learned and the things that we would've improved and things like that as well.

So as we're talking right now, you are, and I'm looking at my calendar, what you're in day three or four of your launch or relaunch right now?

It was Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Four, day Four.

You're on day four right now. You had your first two webinars on Tuesday, one on Wednesday. You Voxered me after the 9 a.m. one and you're in a complete breakdown.


Like, oh, my God, this launch is a failure. And I'm looking at my watch. I'm like, aren't we like day one of launch with two more webinars to go in six more days or whatever? And you've had a tough time with this launch, and it's not even over right yet. So I'd write it half more full days to go. What's been going on? What's the reason why you don't feel good about this launch so far?

Well, coming into it, I thought it was just going to be easy. I don't know why, well, not easy, but not a ton of effort. We're just going to rinse and repeat what we've done. I wasn't really posting on social because we had all this stuff with moving and everything in the family. And so getting into it, I rely so heavily on my webinar and we get into the first one and we have a troll which I have never experienced. I run ads all year and one time I've had someone say, "Oh, I had to get clicks six buttons just to find out it was $67." That's about as troll as I've ever experienced. I don't get trolled.

That person was very nice.

I know. So I don't get stuck. And then on this webinar I can see that there is not good stuff going on in the chat, but I don't think I actually know what happens. And then I see a big drop off, which we usually have people stay till the end always. And then there was like a big drop off at the middle part and I was confused. And then at the end, we only had a 5% conversion. And I'm used to having over 20% conversion. And we had a troll. And I think it really messed up our conversions because a lot of people left that normally stay. And then there was a lot of wonderful people that were trying to defend me, but it was just stirring up more. And then more people jumped in with the troll and it was just a hot mess and very distracting for people. So it just didn't go as well as they normally do. So the whole launch has been affected.

And for you, it was distracting for you because, as you're doing the webinar, you're like checking in with everybody who's listening and watching and you're checking out the chat and you're seeing this disturbance, if you will, go on. That throws you off your game, as we've talked about, is completely normal in anybody, even the "big names" out there who say that this stuff doesn't affect them is completely B.S. That is 100% false because it affects everybody. And what was the first thing I said to you when you Voxered me that to tell me that you had troll.

I feel like you said that "Do you know what this means?"


That's what you said. And I felt like I said, "I think you're going to tell me something very whew right now."

And I didn't.


But I said this means that you've made it because if you're not up to big things, and this is something for everybody listening, if you're not up to big things in your business, then you're not going to have people trolling you like that or making comments. And it stinks, right? It's the worst. And it hurts. It can hurt. But it's all about them, their insecurity. They want what we have, and they have to tear people down because of their insecurities of themselves. But it is hard and especially when it happens in your first webinar and it's on day one of your launch and it's "Oh, this launch just is the worst." And I want to share a little bit of what I told Brandi today, actually. So Brandi has had success in her business from pretty much day one. Both on the service providing standpoint on the Facebook ad side and in her membership program, like really out of the gates, very successful, whereas that's not super normal. It normally takes people, especially on the membership side, to ramp up to that and to say that I "only had 5% conversion" on a webinar where 5% is actually quite normal, her 20% or 20%+ is not normal. That is really, really high. And so something that I've noticed about Brandi is she has very high expectations and there's nothing wrong with that. But if those expectations are met, it's a bit of a breakdown. And I think you've told me here that this has been a big learning experience for you during this launch. What are some of those lessons that you've been learning?

Well, the first one is, "Holy cow, Janessa needs to be like as a panelist." It's just little stuff like that. And looked at it like, thank goodness I know this now because now I told my mastermind, "Hey, make sure you have someone as a panelist." We've never experienced this and I didn't know this was like a thing. And so now, just simple systems like that to have in place. So that doesn't happen again. One, we're just learning that the atmosphere is changing with messenger bot. So we're looking at all of our numbers. So messenger bots, for some reason we're only at like 60% deliverability. And I'm "What the heck? We've always had 100. Where the heck are they going?" It's best we go on to messenger. So things like that, we try to Facebook group and I don't know if that was the right route. So I don't know if we'll do that again for us. And then also just learning that there's things that I've let slide like my sales page that I knew wasn't great, but I knew my webinar was. And so my numbers across the board. So I kind of got lazy when it came to all the moving parts. Like I was looking at my numbers as a whole instead of individuals and being like, "OK, I could technically pay someone to fix my copy." I could redo a sales page design with someone I know who's more like aesthetically pleasing. And things like that. And just letting it slide because I didn't think that. I'm like, "Oh, my take never breaks or I don't have trolls." Instead of thinking about those things and then going and fixing. But I've also learned that I need more white space. And so we didn't have one.

What does that mean?

Yeah. So I just like to fill my calendar and I think that I can do it all, not just in business, but in life. And so like in January, it was Riley's birthday. We went to Disney right after that. I had a launch of Convergence for Clients. Then I went to San Diego, then Canada, and then came right back and was like, "OK, now we're gonna launch Serve Scale Soar." But also, I'm going to be moving into a house at the exact same time, which we didn't technically have to move into the house as quickly as we did. But I was like "Of course we can do that." And so just learning I'm not superwoman, I can not be in 10 places at once and giving myself some, like, breathing room in my calendar.

Does that go back to do you think, what we're talking about earlier where you're compensating for something, you're like "I have to be go, go, go. Otherwise X, Y, Z." Or is it just more of like I just I enjoy the process.

Yeah. So I think with this one, Conversions for Clients, I'm so grateful that I have that program now and it's helped so many people. But that was created after turn over, compensate family things that was going on with my extended family. And so that was an undue stress that I didn't need to put on my plate in January. And I moved my launch to February because I was launching with so many clients in January. And then I ended up creating a whole course in January and February for that. Serve Scale Soar is my passion. I love it so much. And so I was thinking like, I'm just gonna have all the energy in the world for it. And then life happens, stuff happens, and you don't plan for it and you don't necessarily have the energy for it. So I think just having that wiggle room, we just finished recording Conversions for Clients this week and it's like I went from one whole process to another. And I could have like just given myself some breathing room, which has made me look at my calendar and projects that I wanted to take on and be like, do I actually need to be doing this?

So what does white space look like for you? Because for some people, it's just like putting a two hour block in a day during the week is there white space, maybe that. Other people it's like, no, I want to I want to have two hours a day. Other people are like, no, I want to put a week in every quarter or whatever. What does that look like for you?

I think for me it's more about white spaces with launching or promotions or how many clients I'm going to take on at a time. It's more about like the workload that I'm going to allow myself to have at one moment, because then I found like I haven't been able to go through a course in three months. And that's something that brings me joy. Like I love to go through courses and learn. And I'm like, "Good lord, I haven't been able to like look at a course in three months." Because I haven't allowed myself to have that type of white space. And so for me, it's not so much about like weeks or days. It's just about how much launch stuff I'm going to take on either for me, my clients and what my workload looks like. And then also there's things that I should be handing over to someone else to do.

Yeah. Is that hard for you to do? Are you a control freak?

No, actually, like Stephanie and Janessa will tell you, I'm like the most hands off person. I don't micromanage because we have the systems in place. I think what's hard right now is I'm supposed to onboard a social media manager, but I don't have systems in place. So I haven't onboarded her yet because I'm like, "I don't want to bring you one and then just be like, here, go do." We need systems first. So I think that's the hardest part is like I'm not on social media all the time. I can post a story, no big deal, but thinking about a process for scheduling post and stuff like that, it's like I don't have the white space for that. Just creating space where I can bring in other people to help me.

Where did you become? You know, you and I joke about this. So for everybody listening, I think everybody knows that you love ClickUp right?

I do.

Brandi got me into ClickUp recently, just in the past couple of weeks. And I geek out about this stuff. I've tried. You name a project mentioned tool, I've tried it. I told Brandi, I want to give Clickup a big virtual hug because I love it. But anyway, you've shown me your systems together, specifically like how Airtable works with ClickUp. And I love it. And I get it. I love all that stuff. Where did you pick that up? How did you become such a systems person? I love the fact that you're like, "You know what? I don't want to bring a social media person on yet. Like, I want to. But I'm holding off because I don't have the systems in place to do it. I want to make sure this is in place first." I wouldn't do that. And just because I'm like, you know, boom, let's do this. But it makes much more sense to have those systems in place. How did you become so into the systems and stuff?

I feel like it started when I was like 14. So I've had a job since I was 14. And then in college, I had two jobs plus I double majored and minored. And then I went straight to law school.

Wait, you double majored and minored? I didn't know this about you.

With two jobs. So I was History and International Relations with a minor in African studies.

Oh, my gosh. What were you thinking you want to do?

Law school.

Yeah. All right. We're going to come back to. So you mean you didn't even want to practice law, though, is what I'm told me. C


It was more of like, "Oh, I can do a lot. I want to prove to myself that I could do law school." Who does that? But you did it and you went to a really good school for law school.

I went to law school. But during law school, I joined Mary Kay. And so it was like law school all day, came home in rush hour traffic, sat down with a list. You don't know this because I was talking to your integrator about this, but I had a list of names that I purchased from David's Bridal and would cold call and book appointments for an hour and a half after I got done with being at law school all day. And then on Saturdays and Sundays I would go and hold parties from sunup to sundown and then Monday go back to law school. I've always like had to have systems in place to support what I was doing. And then when I was a director in Mary Kay, I had my clients, plus I had a team that I helped coach. And so I had to have all the systems to manage all that. I was selling so much product and so like systems to support the customers. And so I think like I've had had to have systems because of time since I was 14.

Yeah. I had no idea that you were selling Mary Kay.

It's a part of my story.

It makes complete sense, though, about the systems, though. And so now you use ClickUp, you use Airtable, you use Voxer for immediate stuff. Anything else you use?

Dubsado. That's like how you pay your invoice and stuff like that, contracts all that kind of stuff. But my team doesn't use that. That's just me. And then we use Airtable, Voxer and ClickUp and Google Drive.

What's what's the biggest challenge that you face in the business?

Being patient, like, seriously, I think that's my biggest thing, is knowing everything can't happen when I want it to. No matter how hard I want it to. Even today I was listening to a podcast and I go in. I'm telling my husband how frustrated I am about this podcast. And Rick tells me I have to wait and be patient. And this is just one of those things that comes with patience. But I want it now. My husband's like, "You sound like that girl on Willy Wonka who turns until like the blueberry because she just wants it now." And I was like, "But that's how I feel."

Why are you like that? Why you think you like that?

I don't know. I just feel like I think there comes a point where, like, I've now changed my opinion. You don't have to work hard to make more. Like I got that. I understand that. And that's why we have systems in place, too. So I don't have to work as hard. But there comes a level where it doesn't matter. I think how much you put into it doesn't mean like you're gonna see that return right away. And I think that's why I like ads, because you put it in, you get the return back, it's very black and white. There's some things in your business, it is just a time thing. Like you can't just fast track, like you can get there quicker than other people. But it's not something that happens overnight. And that's frustrating.

It's interesting to hear you say that because about 30 minutes ago here in this interview, you told me that you enjoyed the process. You enjoyed the journey.

I have.

Because you love what you do.

I do.

Do you think that that's kind of like a little bit of a paradox because you're like you had this goal and you're, "I want it now." But yet you're saying that you like the journey.

So I think the thing that I get impatient and I'm not stressed about that. It's not like I want it now. Like I'm not throwing a temper tantrum at that. It's more about visibility. So that's something and we've talked about this year. I'm not I don't want to be in Instagram star. It's not like that type of thing. But I know that takes time to build the right relationships. And just like I know it's me showing up more on Instagram and stuff like that, but that's something that being seen as a thought leader doesn't happen overnight. And it doesn't matter what I look like. I can't can only fast track that, but so much.

So what are you doing to do that? What are you doing to position yourself as that thought leader?

I think the first thing is the podcast. I love the podcast. And I just started that because of course, you told us to start a podcast and it was something that I could easily hand off. I didn't have to be super involved. I could talk all day. So like that type of stuff. It was just an easy way for me to get. And now I'm finding people search virtual assistant or social media manager and there's not a lot of us there. So my podcast comes up and that's been really great. I show up on Facebook lives a lot. I am doing that part. But there's definitely more that I could be doing in terms of ads. I definitely need to show up more on Instagram and stuff, but also I make an effort to get to as many conferences as I can. And so I think that's helped a lot. Just getting in front of people and purchasing courses, not just for the sense that I really want to go through the course like I do, but to build a relationship. And so with not expecting anything in return, like, "Hey, I'm going to purchase this course and also I'm we're going to be BFFs." But purchasing the course, going through it, getting results and sharing those results with the course creator. That's been a big thing for me as well.

As a course creator yourself as a membership creator. You see the other side of that, like you have students. You're like, "Hey, share with me the success that you're having." Because as a course creator, it's why we do what we do. We're in this to have an impact and help people. And when we can see the real life fruits of that and we hear from them, that's what it's all about. That was one of the first things that I learned years and years ago. I think it was Derek Halpern years ago said like one of the best ways to get on people's radar is to share with them how their teachings or their expertise or with their core, whatever it is, their content has helped you and ensure that it's a great way.

I feel like it was just my like Southern upbringing that you're supposed to help people. Thank you for everything. And so with Abby and the Virtual Savvy, like I showed up in the group and I supported her group. And then with you, I remember I sent you a Instagram message that I think now get sound emails and it's like, "Hey, listen, this is what your course has done for me and thank you." And I did not expect anything in return for that. But just sharing with the winds and thinking people for creating this, because if you didn't create it, who knows where my business would be.

Yeah, exactly. Actually, I have no idea the answer to this. Do you have a morning routine?

I don't think morning routines are a joke. And I think not for everyone. For me, so in direct sales, they told us that we had to be like 5:00 a.m. morning people and you have to read the Miracle Morning. And I tried all that, but it just didn't work for me. And I tried and tried and tried and really wanted it to work. But like 5:00 a.m. before Riley, after Riley, 5 a.m. is not a good time for me. And so I like to actually wake up when we wake up. So we don't set any alarms. Riley's usually our alarm, but that's anywhere between 7 and 8:30. And we just wake up when we wake up. And then sometimes I work out in the mornings sometimes or work on noon. Sometimes I drink coffee.

Or 11:30 at night.

Yeah. I do try to get my office by 9:00 because I do find that 9 to 12 is my sweet spot. And then at night my brain is functioning really well at night. So that's why I like to get into courses if I can just to watch that. But no I don't have a morning routine. I like let the day come on as it does.

So you don't get going until somewhere between 7 and 8:30?

Like we don't wake up and then I usually try to be in the office by 9:00.

Holy cow. Do you have any vices?

What do you mean vices?

Like you know that I'm a coffee snob. I love coffee. Not that it's a bad thing, but like I got to have. But I'm not like that "Oh my God. I have to have coffee." I just like truly enjoy it. But like, do you have any like some people, they're like, "Oh, my God, I drink six Diet Cokes a day" or whatever?

Here's the thing. Yes. I used to drink Diet Dr Pepper a lot and we still have one, but I'm down to one a day like I could quit.

Diet Dr. Pepper?

Yes. I love it. I always have. So I was drinking way too many of those in December. How people smoke cigarettes, that was me with Diet Dr Pepper. But it's one of those things that I can give up like that. Like I went from drinking for a day down to one. And if I wanted, I could give that up now, too. So I really love good reality TV. Like the trashier the better. I've been watching MTV since I was like 10 years old and we still watch reality TV on MTV. I love the Kardashians. I love reality TV.

You bought their butt machine.

Yeah. It's not theirs, but they promote it. And I got targeted with an ad and it's really good. But yeah, we really like really trashy reality TV.

Have you seen. Love is blind on Netflix?

No, we don't have Netflix. We have cable, we're those people.

You don't have Netflix?


Why? Why don't you have Netflix?

I don't need Netflix? I got cable. So we have Disney Plus. Surprise, surprise. But we only get Netflix when Ozark, the new season of Ozark comes out.

Oh, I know of that show. Never seen it before, though. What's your favorite TV show of all time?

Oh, of all time? That's hard. Either Trueblood or Nip/Tuck.

Amy, my wife watched the Nip/Tuck. I never got into. I know of the show but I never got into it.

So good. It's trashy drama. But I do watch Grey's Anatomy like I've been watching it since the very beginning, but I pretty much love anything on HBO Showtime like Shameless. Right now we're bingeing Shameless.

I haven't seen that one. I mean any of it, but I haven't seen it. You watch Homeland?


You watch those types of shows?


That's my type of show.

No, I like shows you wouldn't think that I would like. It's like the Kardashians. Everyone's very surprised when I'm, like, really obsessed with the Kardashians.

Wait, do you watch Real Housewives?

No, I don't watch Real Housewives. I think that's like older. I don't think my peeps watch that.

Are you open about watching Kardashians?


If you're not, you shouldn't be.

I mean, like it's not like, hey, guys, I'm watching Khardasians. I do tell everyone. So I do watch live PD. That's like my jam every Friday and Saturday night. You will catch us watching live PD and Instagram and everyone does now like people have sent me like live PD stickers and stuff.

I used to watch Live PD. And then before we moved into place, we used to live in on July 4th in 2019, bunch of cars got broken into in our garage. And like, they clipped the It's a long story. Like I actually saw the guys with their masks on the security and freaks me all out. And I actually stopped. I stopped watching like the after that. Because I was all wigged out. Now we live in like The Truman Show.

So we live now where 60-year olds live like it's all retired people.

Well, you live in Florida.

No. But like where we were on the other side, it's like super hip and young and everything. And now we live with for like the 60-year old retired people live.

But you manifested that.

Oh yeah.

Because you told me that you're like, "I wanted to be closer to where schools are." That like you want to be closer to an area.

I wanted a neighborhood and we definitely live in a neighborhood. I thought it would be on the other side. We're close to the beach. It's great.

And you wanted a house and a backyard.

This is my dream house.

Yeah. Were you telling me that it's like you'd gone to this area to like look at something or whatever and then like a week later, this opportunity comes up?

No. I was filling I think we had had our mastermind call on Monday and we talked about the co-working space. And I was still like, which you asked me if I want to do that. And then Wednesday and you talked about getting your creative juices going. So I was like, I've been feeling ungrateful lately, like just a little stagnant. And so I was like, let's go look at homes. We still have seven months left on our lease. And I didn't know we could get out of it. And we went, we saw the place, we saw three places. We liked another one, but they had like air rugs and Gucci heels. And so it was really hard for me to, like, envision my, like, toms in there. I think I kind of feel like...

You watch the Kardashians.

But that's not my thing. That day, we asked about our lives. They told us what we could do to get out of it. Then we signed the lease that night that we looked at it and seven days later we were moved in.

I love it. Not surprisingly, you take action on stuff. All right. My final question for you. What is something that people do not know about you? Aside from like Mary Kay, I didn't know about that.

I think my listeners know about that.

What's something that even your listeners don't know?

I don't know. We've moved a lot.

I'm going to give you a second to think about that because I forgot to ask you a question.


I do want to ask you, what's your favorite book that you've read? I get asked this a lot and I'm always like, oh, my God, because I'm a big reader. I always draw a blank. But what's your favorite business book that has had a big impact on you that you could recommend for your listeners? You've talked about it before, maybe you haven't.

I've read so many business books now. Once I had Riley kind of slowed down and now I get more of the audible. I have never been someone who's like "This book impacted my life so much." I'm just not one of those people until Atomic Habit. And that's only been a few months. And it just dramatically like how he shows examples in just the whole thought process. But that being said, my second favorite book that I used to recommend was The Power of Habits. I just like knowing how our brain works and how we work as people. That's always very intriguing to me. And then, yeah. So I would say Atomic Habits.

So I have to read that book. I told you that James is a good friend of mine. James Clear, who wrote that book, actually. He's one of the very first people I met in the online space. I've known him for like seven years now. And he sent me an advance copy of it. I have not read it yet, but I've heard such good things about it. What is it about that book that you like so much?

I think it's just how he really gets into real-life situations. But then he also makes it so you feel like, "Oh, yeah, I can do that." And he shows different examples. So the Power of Habits is very like corporate-driven, where Atomic Habits is more if you're an entrepreneur, you're a solopreneur or you're a corporate, no matter where you are, he gives different examples. And then he also makes you feel okay about "Oh, yeah, I do do that." It doesn't feel like he's like shaming you. He's like, "It's OK that you do that. But here's like how you can change that." And he's not saying drop all your bad habits right now. He actually tells you "You're not going to get rid of your bad habits are always there." But he teaches you ways to work. So one of them was mine. Coming back was, I don't get a Diet Dr. Pepper, until I get on the Peloton. So it was like, "OK, you're either not going to have soda or you'll get on the Peloton." Either way, it's like a win win. So just teaching how to incorporate habits that you're already doing, the habit stacking and things like that was super powerful, even if you don't use them to the fullest, because I don't use the full methods. It's helped me like just look at the things I'm doing and evaluating why do them and how can I change them? Do they need to be changed? And knowing that drinking a Diet Dr. Pepper isn't a bad habit. He talks about they're not bad and good habits. They're just habits. And so if there's one you want to change, then change it.

All right. You sold me. I'm gonna have to read it. You know, like I take pictures of it at the Amazon store and I send it to him because he's got like two thousand plus reviews. I think it's amazing. I'm so happy for him because he's wanted to write a book for a long time. I think I got to put you on the spot. I think that you should give away a copy of that book to one of your listeners.

Oh, OK.

You should do a little contest. So think about it.

Ok. Yeah. We'll put that in the outro.

So, guys, stay tuned in the outro. Brandi's going to share with you how you can win, how she'll send you a copy.

I will. Yeah.

Atomic Habits. All right. We're going to finish up with,I gave you like four minutes to think about it. What's one thing that people don't know about you?

Ok. So I think that one thing that my listeners would not know about me is that I come from like super blue collar family. Like my mom was a stay at home mom. My dad's a truck driver. Best people ever, but not in the entrepreneurial spirit at all. But they've always been so supportive of the things I did, even if they didn't understand it, like having going to law school, but then being a Mary Kay sales director like that was hard for them to comprehend. And then leaving Mary Kay behind when I was eight months pregnant, not knowing what was going to happen to that. So I think that's the big thing is like I learned a lot about just making things work on your own. And I think that's been the biggest gift that my parents have given me is like now I know things can just happen like manifesting and stuff, but it's also like believing bigger. And they've always taught me, like, you can do this. We believe in you. You're meant for more than your circumstances and things like that. And so then teaching me just to go after whatever I want. But yeah, I don't think a lot of people know that like super small town, super blue collar family, worked for everything I've ever had. And now it's been fun. Just enjoying it.

Love it. I love it. I want to thank you for being so open and so vulnerable and sharing this stuff. I can tell in your body language that you've relaxed and I could tell this a long time ago, actually, my conversation going on for a while, guys, everybody listening. Brandi had no idea what I was going to ask. And in full transparency, I had no way he was going to ask either, because we get on and I had thought she was going to interview me. But doing this format is something that we talked about a while ago. I just completely forgot. And so we hopped on Zoom and she's like, "All right, you have your questions ready? And I was like, oh, this is that interview." And I'm like, "All right, cool. I can I you know, I'm get off the cuff low to get off." Thank you for being so vulnerable and open about and sharing. I think that I've had some ideas from me on my my podcast, and this type of authenticity and vulnerability that you just displayed during this interview is what so many people can connect to. So thank you for allowing me to interview you and for being back in your show. Always a good time.

Thank you so much. Okay ya'll that episode was not the easiest episode for me to do. I was pretty uncomfortable in the beginning and Rick knows a lot about the behind-the-scenes in my business. Like more than most anyone else that I know. And so I'm so appreciative that you just took the time to listen. And like Rick said, I should give away a copy of Atomic Habits because it truly is an amazing book. Instead of giving away one, I'm going to give away three. But here's what you have to do to get the book. We're going to need y'all to take a picture of this episode. And what I want you to do is head over to Instagram and tag @brandiandcompany and @RickMulready, and we'll link both of those up in the show notes. But I want you to head to Instagram, tag both of us, and let me know what your biggest takeaway was from all of this. And we are going to pick three winners at the end of this month, and you will be getting a copy of Atomic Habits. So go on. Make sure you take a picture, tag @RickMulready and @brandiandcompany for your chance to win one of my favorite books of all time and go out this week, serve clients, scale your business and soar into that 6 figure year you deserve.

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Brandi Mowles is the host of the Serve Scale Soar podcast which is a podcast dedicated to helping service-based entrepreneurs scale their online business to five-figure months so they can soar into six-figure years. Brandi is a wife, mom and in less than one year, created a six-figure business.   Now she is spilling all her secrets so you can too.

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